That depends entirely on which side is more secular to start with. He was about twenty. Doing things which are socially unacceptable is the classic way to do this, and if apparently innocent can be plausibly denied. By erecting walls around the chosen its quite possible to see, by reading the above various threads, that sometimes that ignorance endures in perpetuity. This consisted of pulling up near a person walking along the road, winding down the window as if to ask for directions, calling out Straight on? in a questioning tone, and then driving off. David Fletcher was born in Orange, CA. The scale of the intellectual and moral challenge facing Keith Makin and his team is considerable. WebDavid Fletcher is 28 years old. I await a response. Of course, that was Sussex (possibly not a Iwerne recruiting ground), and I was female, and my school days had been in the USA.

They happen in friendship contexts; in school contexts; in medical-student contexts; in Catholic Trainee-Priest contexts. What I remember much better were the leisure activities, several of which had slightly disturbing aspects.

The strategic work of Iwerne reaching the few to reach the many was in peril. The great late Theo Zinn here gives an excellent flavour of the academic atmosphere of the school in the early 1970s, with the famous Play (Terences Phormio): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eUsTqQI0Gg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkNDbYb8O4&t=23s.

WebDr. He was employed as overall leader of the Iwerne Camps from 1962-86. Some of them are amazing still: the compartments to which they admit me are tastefully furnished and cosy. There it was because if you reported something to the police youd get a brick through your window, or worse.

There does seem a certain theme here. Youre buying different things whichever ones your children attend. Im not aware that there was an emphasis on, or indeed any teaching about, purity (if that refers to sexual behaviour).

I am grateful for it. David Fletcher and his contemporaries (Watson, Green) will have been of an age (the 1950s) where public culture was Christian, Billy Graham was packing Harringay, the Queen was backing him to the hilt in her initial 1957 Christmas broadcast, and optimism was on the increase. Very important point. In neither case, therefore, were the powerful exploiting the less powerful. David Fletcher weighs 185 lbs (83 kg). I was at Sussex Uni in the 70s, and cant remember there was any discussion of which schools CU members had attended. After Cambridge I attended St. Helens Bishopsgate for a while. We laid tables and did a certain amount of cleaning. I gave talks at Iwerne camps and at Iwerne schools. Social Media, however much we tire of them and however much their faults loom large, are an important venue where change will be hastened. In part it was about who knew who, in part intuitive, in part checked out. I found him charming and engaging. Helpfulness also disguises malicious behaviour . Blessed are the sleek. I can remember other games that just would not be played nowadays like making a rope out of clothes belonging to a team. Very interesting. I went to his house to ask his advice about going to the Bar. The only thing that it was respectable to show enthusiasm about was drama. It was the cause of some mirth in the local area.

Romantic relationships were belittled.

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I can vouch for this. The barrister carried out sadomasochistic beatings on dozens of boys in his shed at his home in Winchester. This is without counting pcc members who politely ignored shenanigans. I was also invited to a largeish gathering of officers and senior campers in Eastbourne, where there were again bible studies and prayer meetings. Neither of these is in the category of the Fletcher forfeits; we should also imagine that the japes of the unmarried may well continue for those who continue to be unmarried, there being no within-marriage outlet. But it was the late Rev David Fletcher (1932-2022), commandant (overall leader) of the Iwerne campsfrom the 1960s until he became rector of St Ebbes Oxford in 1986, who would have let the bulk of them in on the secret. I met John Smyth myself only once probably in 1982.

After attending these camps, I was invited to join a few handpicked VPS men for several days at a kind of retreat (Im sure that wasnt what they called it!) I have been following the John Smyth and Jonathan Fletcher sagas obsessively. Its insistence on penal substitution and nothing but penal substitution embodied and tacitly encouraged the notion that ultimate good depended on violence. I forget who cleared it up. At an impressionable age these exhortations are most likely to be embedded. That is why confirmation ceremonies happen, why many people do not identify with the religion of their youth, why it was frequently heard that people thought their local church did not explain the central Christian message clearly, so that they would twig only later and elsewhere.

As to Sussex, John Fulton and Asa Briggs (John Sparrows Sir Gas Bag) were anxious to create an entirely new kind of university, arguably in their own images: classless, humane and progressive. Jonathan Fletcher is 10 years younger than his brother, and of an age with the late John Smyth. Soccer, cricket and rowing (but also individualistic sports like fives) were evidently treated seriously, but not at the expense of other attainments. The Wycliffe Hall board included David Fletcher and the late Andrew Dalton from VPS at the time 10-15 years ago when Richard Turnbull (doubtless a VPS-influenced appointee) was appointed as principal and Wycliffe was in the news because of the relatively controversial nature of the apppintment. Definitely the Church Militant . Iwerne was profoundly authoritarian as the use of the title Officer indicates. I can support Edwards account from my own experience of being a senior camper at Iwerne. If I may make an extreme comparison, the Nazi War criminal Josef Mengele retuned from Latin America for his fathers funeral in Germany and friends and neighbours did not turn him in m even though the horror of his crimes were known.

Neither prank seemed at all funny, and even if they had been, they have always struck me as inconsistent with Christian behaviour. I understand JF has referred to the hierarchical way in which he treated followers two were openly told they were D-listers. I should add that I have watched part of the Phormio again: it exemplifies the best sort of liberal humanism that may be associated with Westminster (I mean a scholastic rather than philosophical humanism). (As a result it has had to completely reinvent itself over recent decades). Here is a personal account by Edmund Weiner who remembers the founder, E J H Nash (Bash) and the impact he still had over the boy campers in that period. Blessed are those who earn. Keep them out of the living areas! Chubby Bunnies was certainly around in the mid-to-late 1980s when there was a contest at OICCU between a Northern engineer, the incoming principal of Wycliffe Hall and an Australian Bishop (I think the Bishop won with an improbable 30+ marshmallows). I think that the memory of WW2 and National Service was still fresh enough in many adults memories to make this totally unremarkable; Id also suggest that Britain still thought in more militaristic (even imperialistic) ways than it does today. These young men then in their 20s were either ordinands at the evangelical CofE theological colleges in Oxford, Cambridge and Durham or would-be ordinands on their way to a selection conference. For most of us it was a relief to hear this: our schooling and conditioning had left us emotionally stunted, and it was good to know that this stuntedness was what God wanted. We rushed from our chores to prayer meetings and bible studies with the officers that were held in addition to the talks laid on for the junior campers. David Fletcher is 5-9 (175 cm) tall. I was in JFs car. The Revd The Hon David Fletcher has died aged 89 following a four-year battle with cancer. And as for the Sermon on the Mount? I hope our conservative Evangelical friends take the book seriously; denial is tempting, but proper engagement is best for everyone. Latest on Los Angeles Angels shortstop David Fletcher including news, stats, videos, highlights and more on ESPN Edmund, I think you underestimate the militarism of the whole public school system. My prep school in the early 1950s was definitely about forming an officer class. Theres a young church history lecturer at St Mellitus College who, according to the website is completing a PhD which focuses on the summer camps run by EJH Nash at Iwerne Minster in the interwar years and mid-twentieth century. I accept this account without cynicism.

Re the omerta of VPS: while I agree that this may owe a lot to the public school military ethos, I would point out that a similar (if less disciplined) ethic of pseudo-loyalty and secrecy permeates much of the evangelical establishment, even where VPS influence can be discounted. David Fletcher is 5-9 (175 cm) tall.

I can remember little about it, apart from walking along the Seven Sisters. Jonathan Fletchers brother, David, ran the Iwerne camps while I was there. There must be a link between the ethos and the theology! That doesnt seem to me a kind thing to do, especially to newcomers. WebAngels' David Fletcher: Activated by Halos. Despite everything that has emerged about him, and despite my own repudiation of his creed and his circle, I was moved. It was a hard choice, and to be honest I didnt handle it well. Um, did pussy mean then what it means now? Camps should be low key relaxation. He is affiliated with numerous hospitals in California and more, including Memorial Hospital Of Gardena. Although the movement, as I found it, was definitely evangelical and conversionist, it sounds broader than both Iwerne and other Christian groups. Im still interested that the school attended would naturally come up in the course of conversation. david fletcher iwerne. Where was David Fletcher born? That he could believe wholeheartedly what he said, while still behaving in the way that it appears he did is, as in Smyths case, a sign of compartmentalization a compartmentalization that can only be sustained by systematic insistence that self-examination is effeminate and dangerous. Thank God those days are behind us. Chubby bunnies was a popular game in my very non public school church youth group in the early 90s. Iwerne has repeatedly made the national press between 2014-2021 as firstly, the suppressed report on Smyth has come to light evidencing the abusive extremes of spiritual discipline, and secondly, due to similar spiritual and physical abuse allegations against Jonathan Fletcher a key Iwerne clergyman and one of the most prominent I can remember very little of the programme, except that towards the end we each had to write and present a short evangelistic talk of the typical VPS kind. Incidentally, another point of beating as a punishment was that it was meant to teach the ability to bear physical pain, and the prospect of physical pain. Jonathan is one of the High Priests of Conservative Evangelicalism: Iwerne is his power base. The context in which I remember it was a college CU pre-term conference away at which Hugh Palmer and (I think) JF were present.

Jonathan Fletcher kindly drove me and C (later to become a bishop) from near our homes on the outskirts of London to this event. Anyone who read a newspaper, looked at magazine, or watched TV, knew about Playboy Bunnies. My abuser started with a silly game, and escalated from there to abuse. Real men got on with manly sports (to burn off their libido and to make them too tired for dodgy philosophising) and with the promulgation of the algorithms. I had a posh boyfriend once. As regards the staff, clearly they were and are part of an organized pressure group within the church that requires strict adherence to conservative evangelicalism, but membership is entirely voluntary. I was taught to shoot at my prep school, where the dormitories in one house were named after notable battleships and aircraft carriers; at Marlborough there was still an Officers Training Corps, though it may have become a Combined Cadet Force, in line with the shrinkage of the armed forces. Im really sorry you suffered this Mary, and thank you for your contributions which help us all build a picture to understand these things. Mr Fletcher was the vicar at Emmanuel church in Wimbledon, southwest London, for 30 years from 1982 until 2012, which is where current allegations of spiritual abuse were levelled against him. I accept the various corrective points made. The dread of waiting to be beaten and the ritual of being called up and sentenced was almost as bad as the agony of the beating itself. Jonathan was then emerging into a leadership role. Fun. A responsible and respected blog like this is a great way to uncover facts and debate theories about what is going on in the churches. How should the Church treat these clergy nearly four decades since the spiritual mentor they revered let them in on the Smyth secret? I never heard of the Smyth allegations until the Channel 4 story broke, but when I did hear them I wasnt surprised. John Smyth was the Chairman of the Iwerne Trust. I recall a 1970s praise album which featured a track called Cause Me to Come, followed by Bring My Body Closer. As far as I can remember there was no mention of special equipment or safety precautions at all. Mainly young adults as I recall, mostly I guess from the RML Bible study groups newcomers were encouraged to join. He has taken a special interest in the issues around health and healing in the Church but also when the Church is a place of harm and abuse.

Worshipping daily in Westminster Abbey set us apart, though probably most people found it a bore.

This is the danger of the cult of personality around Smyth and dare I say, a number of current big names especially in the Con Evo constituency. It is a path where fatalities are not infrequent. I would like to be able to say that this is out of concern for the victims. Where was David Fletcher born? Sport was important and as a very weedy short-sighted child, I dreaded rugby especially lying in the wet and cols mud, holding a ball upright by my finger tips to allow a great oaf to kick it. He sustained and promoted a structure inside which Jonathan Fletcher and John Smyth operated their horrendous regimes. Meanwhile Pete Wards Growing Up Evangelical is a good place to begin. My disability makes me easy pickings for these types of behaviour. Humans were denigrated: they were wholly fallen. Attitudes havent changed as much as people like to think ? It wouldnt strike me, or most of my friends, as having any relevance.

The point being to humiliate those who had come with ready tied versions. The theology was banal, stern, and cruel a set of suffocatingly simple propositions held with steely eyed zeal. Jonathan Fletchers brother, David, ran the Iwerne camps while I was there. Most subsequent heads have not been ostentatiously pious: indeed, in 2004, John Rae completed a book about his agnosticism. In other walks of life Ive not noticed people talking about school at all. He inherited from EJH Nash and then built up the whole edifice of Iwerne and its spiritual style. Stephen is a retired Anglican priest living at present in Cumbria. I met John Smyth myself only once probably in 1982. It was also quite normal for them to marry in their mid to late 20s. WebRetrieved 21 August 2021. Jonathan Fletcher was speaker at the CU house party and the diminutive Christian Medical Fellowship on one occasion. We were about half a dozen, all undergraduates. Similar changes occurred at other central London schools as University College School (secular), Highgate, Emanuel, City of London, etc. And that was the end of any invitations to be involved with VPS. I think it goes back further than that. Janet, as a grammar school boy from a economically poor family at Oxford in the 70s I can say ones pedigree in terms of schooling was very much to the fore. If someone was hungry, we had better, more urgent, and more eternally significant things to do than feed him. Of course in this blog we post about the bad because that is what affects us. That is probably why the chosen participants were the authority figures rather than students who would have been in danger of being embarrassed. It disturbed me that Christians who were apparently familiar with the area should show such disregard for private property. Thats just the dirt if work I was thinking of. And Johns remarks about the early stages of grooming apply. But, good for you for not wanting your roots to be redeemed by Iwerne. Thinking about the non-innocent activities and particularly the disrespect for property and prank in the post. Humans were made in Gods image, and since God was easy to summarise and explain, so were humans. Thats tough. David Fletcher is 5-9 (175 cm) tall. I attended, as a scholarship day boy, a minor, but very ancient, public school attached to one of our ancient cathedrals from 1955-1963. One thing that intrigues me is how the other members of the Christian Union knew youd been to Westminster School? I dont want to deny the possibility of double meanings and concealed intentions, but Im sure Chubby bunnies (aka Fluffy bunnies) which was played as a silly party game (along with the chocolate game and the smartie on a flour pudding game) at the socially- and gender-mixed youth group of the south London Baptist church of my youth without anyone attaching any other meaning to bunny than they would have to the Easter bunny, or to bunny hops. Smyth groomed many of his victimsat the Iwerne camps. Every day I feel very blessed by the kindness of others as I go about town. How much does David Fletcher weigh? But youngsters from a family known to a church are probably sufficiently converted (in the real sense) already. The reference is presumably to Dick France, who was Principal from 1989-1995. As one moved up the organisation one might be admitted to ever more closed rings of confidentiality. So maybe it was in fact a particularly Iwerne thing? When muscular Christians taught that the flesh is nothing and the spirit is everything, being flogged was one of the ways theyd learned this, or learned to wish devoutly that it were true. It is the person who disguise s their malicious behaviour under cover of being helpful and insists on being helpful who can be grouped with the person who plays silly games.

(As Ridley Hall and St Johns Nottingham were solidly open-evangelical and Oak Hill solidly conservative-evangelical, it was naturally over Wycliffe that the battle took place.) Interestingly, it was not necessarily totally determinative. He graduated from Ohio University Of Osteo Medicine with his medical degree in 2004. The ultimate accolade was Hes sound by which we meant that all his thoughts were diligently shaded from the light of reflection, scholarship, and experience. I was involved in the Iwerne camps for several years from Summer 1982, as a Senior Camper (general dogsbody) for a year, and then as an Officer. Memories of Bash (Iwerne) Camps in the early 70s, Personal Reflections on early Christian formation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eUsTqQI0Gg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkNDbYb8O4&t=23s, Opinion 28 August 2021 | Thinking Anglicans, Understanding Betrayal: A Reflection in Holy Week. I loved the camaraderie and eagerly absorbed the teaching. A whole person would know that the evangelical algorithms were literally unbelievable, and so we were taught that we should not be whole people. He died of a heart attack in 2018 aged 77 at his home in Cape In our culture, reflection was actively discouraged. But I have to say Ive also encountered it in Salford, and again on a tough estate. My free will offering went over a table with a plastic top, thankfully. By far the most important thing about a VPS man was that he should be both keen (i.e.

Jonathan is one of the High Priests of Conservative Evangelicalism: Iwerne is his power base. That may be true, but (as Im sure you agree) it does not by any means follow that pranks are always in that sort of context.

That might account for the almost comical emphasis on soundness.

David Watsons influence, as Curate to Mark Ruston at The Round Church was much stronger.

And how did life in all its fullness come to mean a shrivelled, cramped life, characterised by fear of the Other, and maintained only by walling off all the parts of the self that might criticise the tyranny of the algorithms and wish for something better? Wholeness entails the breaking down of the barriers between the compartments of oneself. P, the smallest member of the party, was dropped off to join the tail of a long bus queue. We were all from the public schools that were Iwernes constituency, and hence emotionally immature and damaged. We also paid a fee for the privilege of being there! And the chance of what had been said not being true was very high. I have asked the question repeatedly over the years. The monarch of the place is now a Freind.. On our way home through the suburbs, JF instigated another prank. Mercifully I am in this third class, but I hate the disgust and bitterness that comes with membership, and Im worried that this blog puts them shamefully on display. You are confusing two people with the same Christian name. I hope you have good support? As I gather you were fortunate to be part of that Christ Church generation which upheld muscular and happy Christianity at its best Christian Union members and Iwerne men were captains of cricket (Gillingham), rugby (Collins), prominent in boxing and rowing (Ashton), and this list is not exhaustive. The strategic work of Iwerne reaching the few to reach the many was in peril. Yes, from this website. It may be important to know that Pussy was the (presumably informal) name of Bashs aunt, who had lived with his family during his upbringing. But I also remember Jonathan Fletcher at that time saying with pride that he would never watch a film with a more adult rating than PG. Personally, I think that the comparisons with Buchman are apt: the need to shore up both the class system and its twin sister, traditional Christianity, had been heightened by the rapid changes which occurred after about 1963-65. For such silencing instincts to predominate in a Christian context is profoundly wrong. I knew why Smyth had told those boys to go into the shed, and why they had gone. The brother of an abusive vicar who covered up attacks on young boys has died, prompting victims to claim the truth has died with him. Justin Welby had lived there a few years earlier. But I do think that the conduct of the retreat points to a certain recklessness and a cavalier attitude to the concerns and rights of other people, which can be encountered quite widely among conservative evangelicals with a public school background. He died of a heart attack in 2018 aged 77 at his home in Cape Teasing always has an undercurrent of cruelty.

I got a phone intended for the blind, so I could dial 999 at night without turning the lights on. Set against the coached naivety is a small group of leaders who know exactly what they are doing. But it was the late Rev David Fletcher (1932-2022), commandant (overall leader) of the Iwerne camps from the 1960s until he became rector of St Ebbes Oxford in 1986, who would have let the bulk of them in on the secret. But we need to avoid simplistic theories of their development so we can truly learn from it. Why did I put up with it for so long?

John Smyth was the Chairman of the Iwerne Trust. Oh quite.

He also ran the Iwerne camps, where a number of boys have claimed they were groomed by John Smyth QC, a disgraced barrister. Unlike, say, Cheltenham or Clifton, there was never a separate Jewish house: such integration made the school cosmopolitan, and this tendency increased markedly from the 1950s. How much does David Fletcher weigh? By the time the sexual revolution hit, they will have been set in their view of what was normal.

Vaughan Roberts (himself a Iwerne man one of the best; an abiding friend for whom I have great respect) made a statement at the Evangelical Ministry Assembly about the Jonathan Fletcher allegations. As a day school and at the time inadequate facilities for everyone to be sporty, there was zero military activity either. The year was rag-week 1989. The leader of the gathering was David Fletcher. In sum, what action should the NST take in relation to present clergy who were in the know before they were ordained but did not report Smyths crimes to the police? Of course Crusaders had been formed in the early 1900s to fill a gap in the market for boys who went to independent day schools: not boarders at Public Schools nor the hoi polloi who went to Board Schools and went to church Sunday Schools. I had lunch with one of them last week. Abusers do use this kind of light-hearted activity as part of grooming behaviour, to lower their victims resistance to more obviously dubious behaviour and then to outright abuse. He inherited from EJH Nash and then built up the whole edifice of Iwerne and its spiritual style. He also facilitated his relocation to Africa in 1984, received notice of beatings in Zimbabwe in 1989, and contact from the Zimbabwean lawyer David Coltart in 1993. My parish is a place where silly games have flourished for a number of years and I know two other vulnerable adults who have suffered.

One Methodist Superintendent did leave in disgust, but he was a very Godly man. Thats absolutely right, Christopher.

There was too much at stake. In the summer term of 1969 I was in my first year at Christ Church, Oxford. Strange, though, that a school in the lee of the Abbey and Church House should not be fertile ground for the faith. Please dont stop offering help to disabled people. Many thanks, Mr Brown, for all your reportage over the years: you have taught me a great deal. His account hits the right note. We will see. One thing we have learned about manipulative narcissistic abusers is that they work within the context in which they can prosper, and some of the attitudes identified here as unhealthy were amplified by Fletcher and Smyth. I will say more about my experience of Iwerne when I have read Bleeding for Jesus. independent) schools. Its time to face up to the truth about this.

But was always grateful Id made it, and not least as the truth has become public over the past four years.

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